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tiamatschild) wrote2015-04-09 11:11 pm
tiamatschild) wrote2015-04-09 11:11 pm
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm. HMMMMMMMMM. hmmmmmmmmm.
I finally watched Day of the Doctor properly, and I enjoyed it but at the same time felt like something was unsatisfying and off there. Narratively speaking, mostly, more than character wise.
(Although, Doctor, appealing to Kate Stewert by insisting that she'll regret atomizing London and a good section of the surrounding towns and suburbs and countryside plus everything affected by the secondary effects doesn't. really. Make much sense? Because no, no she won't regret it. Because unlike you with Gallifrey and the Daleks and everything else you did - she won't be there to regret it. Humans don't survive nuclear blasts at close range.)
(This could be a really cool point of characterization, if only someone would point out the central problem with the line of argument. If Kate got a line to - very gently - point this out I would just love it I really would. Regrets have no place in this conversation. There is no room for regrets.)
(Which considering the place of 'no regrets' in Who's thematic mythology could be really cool. Hmmm. They didn't really leave it any time tho. hmm.)
It's the solution, I think. The trouble with the solution is that - it's so linear, and the thing about the Time War is that it was not. It's not just that Gallifrey is not there now, it's that Gallifrey never was there. The Ninth Doctor says it burned, but there's also a clear implication that at the same time it no longer exists and in most ways never did. The Doctor is only still extant because he's a paradox. Sticking it in a stasis bubble maybe closes this problem possibly? Does it? What the hell was the Moment supposed to do anyway? It's a time travelling sapient superweapon, it can't possibly do anything as mundane as explode! But that is kind of the impression we get and -
arrrgh.
Of course, I could be reading the whole thing with the timelines completely wrong, although I've always assumed that collapsing Gallifrey's timelines in on themselves was the only possible way to explain why all the Time Lords are gone except the Doctor. Perhaps this is not a perception the showrunners ever shared. *sigh* Despite all the hints about the Time War being eldritch and vast and largely observable only by the massive devastation created in the fabric of space time.
...Maybe that was what the Moment was meant to do and the Shunting Gallifrey off to its own particular space time bubble thing looks kind of like that in general effect?
I'm starting to get more blathery and less coherent than I like. So I guess I'll stop there. Well not quite there.
John Hurt was awesome. (And there needs to be like a million The Doctor Poaches Companions From Himself stories where he does not join in the poaching because he feels like he shouldn't be around people really, especially not these people whom he loves - but various companions contrive to be poached anyway, much the way Clara kicks the chair over to him in that quiet moment. And also there needs to be fic where SPACE TIME ACCIDENTS and he and Clara interact more and have adventures.)
I finally watched Day of the Doctor properly, and I enjoyed it but at the same time felt like something was unsatisfying and off there. Narratively speaking, mostly, more than character wise.
(Although, Doctor, appealing to Kate Stewert by insisting that she'll regret atomizing London and a good section of the surrounding towns and suburbs and countryside plus everything affected by the secondary effects doesn't. really. Make much sense? Because no, no she won't regret it. Because unlike you with Gallifrey and the Daleks and everything else you did - she won't be there to regret it. Humans don't survive nuclear blasts at close range.)
(This could be a really cool point of characterization, if only someone would point out the central problem with the line of argument. If Kate got a line to - very gently - point this out I would just love it I really would. Regrets have no place in this conversation. There is no room for regrets.)
(Which considering the place of 'no regrets' in Who's thematic mythology could be really cool. Hmmm. They didn't really leave it any time tho. hmm.)
It's the solution, I think. The trouble with the solution is that - it's so linear, and the thing about the Time War is that it was not. It's not just that Gallifrey is not there now, it's that Gallifrey never was there. The Ninth Doctor says it burned, but there's also a clear implication that at the same time it no longer exists and in most ways never did. The Doctor is only still extant because he's a paradox. Sticking it in a stasis bubble maybe closes this problem possibly? Does it? What the hell was the Moment supposed to do anyway? It's a time travelling sapient superweapon, it can't possibly do anything as mundane as explode! But that is kind of the impression we get and -
arrrgh.
Of course, I could be reading the whole thing with the timelines completely wrong, although I've always assumed that collapsing Gallifrey's timelines in on themselves was the only possible way to explain why all the Time Lords are gone except the Doctor. Perhaps this is not a perception the showrunners ever shared. *sigh* Despite all the hints about the Time War being eldritch and vast and largely observable only by the massive devastation created in the fabric of space time.
...Maybe that was what the Moment was meant to do and the Shunting Gallifrey off to its own particular space time bubble thing looks kind of like that in general effect?
I'm starting to get more blathery and less coherent than I like. So I guess I'll stop there. Well not quite there.
John Hurt was awesome. (And there needs to be like a million The Doctor Poaches Companions From Himself stories where he does not join in the poaching because he feels like he shouldn't be around people really, especially not these people whom he loves - but various companions contrive to be poached anyway, much the way Clara kicks the chair over to him in that quiet moment. And also there needs to be fic where SPACE TIME ACCIDENTS and he and Clara interact more and have adventures.)